it came up last night. let's listen to what romney said. >> at the same time gasoline prices have doubled under the president, electric rates are up, food prices are up. health care costs have gone up by $2,500 a family. middle income families are being crushed. >> okay, so now had it gone up that much because of obama care and the cuts in medicare? >> the health care costs have gone up that much in 2008, a family average plan, employer sponsored plan would have been$1,250. however that's a lower increase than what they planned in the years before. in fact, what the kaiser family foundation, they said well, we have a 4% increase in health care cost. that's pretty good. it used to be 8% to 10%. yes, health care costs have gone up, not as much as it used to go up. >> it is trickier and trickier. paul singer, thank you for your insight. we will need it again and i'm sure. >> yes, call me any time, come by the office. >> yes, we will come back and vice president, of course, they are in danville, kentucky next w